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SubPac Option / uncalibrated Hz Filter

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Patrick Lindsey Follow
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I would love to see a option where you could say, don't calibrate a specific range for example 0 - 130Hz.

So the the range from 0 - 130 stays flat/untouched.

Why this would be good?

If you have a Subpac for example, it can work flat, otherwise the Subpac reacts on the corrected frequency.

I know if you use midrange monitors there will be a issue with the bass, but I would use this option when I work with my NS-10 for example.

Or if it even possible.. to route inside Systemwide a uncalibrated signal to a different output on a multi channel interface

cheers

Patrick

 

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    Tugkan Mutlu

    Yes would also love this feature!!

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    Luke Wells

    I would very much appreciate this feature as well. I use your correction for my HD350 headphones and the curve for that sends the curve on my subpac 6db out of wack. thanks. 

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    Sam Spacey

    In Cubase you have a monitoring section where you can send different channels with different plugins on main out section.

    I use the SubPac and have to delay the main headphone/monitor output by quite a few m/s so that the SubPac is in sync with your audio.

    The Supac has quite a delay in its response but also I send it a feed that has no Sonarworks in it and it's own volume control as I find the SubPacs volume control a bit sensitive.

    Hope this helps.

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    Graham Seamans

    Any updates on this? This would be a real game changer.

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    Sky Doherty

    I'd love for this to be implemented.  Currently I'm using a workaround, splitting the signal and sending it through Sonarworks for my headphone output, and through the Subpac.  This requires an audio interface with multiple outputs.

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    Graham Seamans

    @Skymakai

    Do you have an interface with internal routing software? What interface are you using?

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    Sky Doherty

    @Graham Seamans

    For bluetooth connections, I'm using MenuBus Pro (Mac), which allows me to connect to two separate bluetooth audio outputs simultaneously.

    For regular wired connections, I have an Apogee Duet, which requires a TRS ¼" dual to single TRS ⅛" cable.  It's a mess of wires and is quite annoying.  It would be much better if: 1. The Subpac had a lower noise floor  2. Sonarworks calibration could be customized for use with the Subpac.

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    Luke Wells (Edited )

    I emailed sonarworks and they replied with a calibration profile for my Sennheiser HD650 headphones that is more suitable... I recommend emailing them. 

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    Sky Doherty

    I emailed them and got this reply:

    Unfortunately we do not yet support customized Subpac profiles.
    Sorry for the inconvenience.

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    Luke Wells

    Skymakai.. email me at luke@lukemandala.com and I will send you the calibration profile I have if you want it. 

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    Sky Doherty

    Thanks, Luke.  

    I sent you an email. 

     

    Note, I use Sennheiser HD-25 II and HD 700 headphones. 

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    Austin Collins (Edited )

    If you have an interface with a monitor out, and are using Ableton, you can create an FX rack with 2 racks on your master channel. 
    One with the Reference plugin for you monitors/headphones
    The other with an "external audio effect" effect, routing your un-processed audio into a Utility summing to mono first, then into the external audio effect routed to your interface's monitor out. 
    Plug your Subpac in to your monitor out port.
    I have a macroed Simple Delay device on my corrected signal to compensate for my driver latency.

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    Ollie Jackson

    Hi folks,
    Has anyone had any luck with running a Subpac pre-SWR4 systemwide on a Mac with an Apollo twin?

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    Sky Doherty

    Hey, Ollie.

    I'm not sure, as I use an Apogee Duet 2.  What are you wanting to know?

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    Ryan Carline

    I’m just thinking of getting a Subpac and using it with my Sonarworks calibrated HD800’s.
    I work in Pro Tools and imagine I would send to a mono ‘SubPac’ aux off my mix bus aux, post fader, the mix aux also feeds my Print track which has Reference 4 on it.
    The Subpac aux would feed a physical output on my Apollo Twin (eg output 3), and I would set the level of the aux (Level to Subpac) to taste.

    I would have Reference 4 set to zero latency.
    As I’m yet to get a Subpac, I’m yet to learn weather or not the timing would be right despite Ref 4 being in zero latency mode, or if I would have to play about with sample delay plugins. Does anyone have any experience in working this way for mixing?

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    Austin Collins

    Hey Ryancarline, I use a Subpac with Reference in the configuration you describe but use Ableton Live instead. My experience with it does not cause latency from the plugin, but from the DAW’s buffer size.
    That said I do need to manually compensate for delay when I switch buffer sizes which isn’t too big of a deal since I can type in what Live’s buffer delay says it will be into a delay plugin.
    That said, this seems to be an issue that lies in how Live delay compensates latency different for different outputs. You may not experience that effect within ProTools.

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    Sam Spacey

    Hi I have a lot of experience working this way in Cubase. the problem with the Sub Pac is that there is quite a delay in it's processing so you would need to mess with delay plugins to get the bass in sync with the music. It's my biggest moan with the SubPac... but once you line up the audio with say a Kick Drum until the SubPac and Kick drum fire at the same time it is amazing. Just have it on low otherwise your brain knows it's not real bass. Tickling your back almost.

    In Cubase we have the Control room so that audio exported does not go through Sonarworks and SubPack...if working on headphones I suggest getting Waves NX (the only decent plugin they make).

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    Ollie Jackson

    Also Totally Hanging out for a way to send a seperate signal to my subpac without SWR4 affecting it.

    Please somehow address this guys, I have lots of friends with Subpacs who have the same problem.

    It would be a rad feature & widely appreciated.

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    Jesse Springer

    Is anyone from Sonarworks reading any of these posts on this forum, or are we just shooting in the dark? This feature is very much needed!

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    Chris

    Hey Jesse,

    Yes, we are reading your suggestions and taking them very seriously. Sadly, implementing this feature is not as straightforward as might seem at first glance.

    It would have to take into account both the headphone FR curve and the frequency range in which the tactile subwoofer operates in. Both of these factors can come into conflict when purely modifying the calibration curve.

    We are thinking of ways to make it happen, but it is currently very unclear when or if it will be done because it might require some other features and functions to be developed beforehand.

    For now, we occasionally modify headphone profiles individually when it is requested. However, I must note that this is not a perfect solution and might not improve your listening experience.

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    Jesse Springer

    Totally understand. It is a challenging problem to solve. Thanks for all the hard work you do. My current setup works almost flawlessly.

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    Chris

    I am glad to hear that!

    If a better solution for SubPac use becomes available, I will do my best to let you all know!

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    Michael Cupino

    I have been looking for a solution for this as well but I think I found one.  You guys should try Rogue Amoeba's Audio Hijack.  You can route your system audio or application audio to two different audio outputs.  In addition it allows you to run a plugin, in this case the Sonarworks plugin, on one of the outputs.  Its an extra little app to run but it doesn't seem to take up really any CPU to use.  

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    Jesse Springer

    This is super interesting. Thanks for the rec, Michael! I'm guessing it doesn't account for latency though?

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    Shawn McGoogan

    Yeah hi! So, has there been a solution for this? I'm also in Cubase on PC with a Subpac, and  Rogue Amoeba's Audio Hijack only runs on Macs. Thanks everyone!

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    Ollie Jackson

    Hi Michael Cupino,

    Could you explain how you set up Audio Hijack on your Mac? I have just installed the trial version of the app but i'm not really sure where to start in order to get a seperate signal to the subpac without it running through the Sonarworks EQ.

    Cheers Mate

    Ollie

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    Michael Cupino

    Hey guys,

     

    For those who have been asking here's how I have my Subpac setup.

    At the very least you need an interface with an extra stereo output available and of course Audio Hijack

    I am running mine with a Universal Audio Apollo which allows me to manage the setup a little bit more too.  But  it should basically work like this with any interface:

    So the system audio output in spit into two places, one goes to an Audio Unit block that contains the Sonarworks plugin, then to an output block feeding your monitors on your interface. 

    The other spilt goes to anther output block with the outputs on your interface feeding your Subpac.

    Audio Hijack doesn't seem to really add any extra processing to the audio buffer of my DAW and latency between my monitors and Subpac isn't really noticeable.  

    Hopefully this helps some of you ;)

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