Can I measure multichannel setups (5.1, 7.1 etc.)?

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    Richard Spooner

    In post-production the most important speaker is the centre, so a pass through wouldn’t work for us.

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    Kārlis Stenders (Edited )

    Hi everyone!

    This has yet again been a hot topic around here and the conclusion unfortunately is no - it will either be a fully capable multi-channel calibration at some point, or nothing at all. 

    The decision has been made by the pro side product owner; we cannot have half-functional calibration software released - our accuracy standard cannot be compromised. 

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    François Beauvais

    I'm already passing through with the patchwork work around I explained earlier. To me this is important because I dont have to constantly switch drivers (software). That way the stereo calibration is always on and there is no chance of accidently working or even listen to material without it. I dont want to use it in the daw to prevent accidental printing of the correction. I mainly mix music for films and video games so it's not that center focused. I do need 5.1 but I take what I can and if I can get a correction out of left and right, well at least that's that. To those like me mixing music in 5.1 or 7.1 setups, it would be useful until they finally release a fully surround version. That said, my work around explained earlier works perfectly.

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    François Beauvais

    I just read Richard's recommendation about developing a single speaker mono calibration version. Well that would work perfectly along side a software like patchwork. We could route as many plugins instances as we'd like to the different outputs letting us configure our system perfectly using mono and stereo calibrations to our needs. Whatever the channel count.

    Sonarworks to do list :

    1- Creating a mono calibration process and plugin.

    2- Create a routing interface inspired by pathwork for a systemwide application.

    3- Sell this new higher priced customizable multi-channel and shut us all up while making more money!

    When we put our minds together, see what we can do! hehe... All jokes aside, take the users intake for free and make your clients happy! This method would work on pretty much all multi-channel system and future ones without a tone of work on your part. Once this is working, you can always improve upon it in the future.

    Of course it would be a tiny bit more complexe for the user to setup but we can manage. Remember It would be intended for the pros out there that are used to much more complexity.

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    James Ashton

    A mono compatible version of the plugin would be all that we need (at least for Pro Tools users). A multi-mono instance of the plugin could be inserted on your monitor master fader from which each channel can be modified independently (of course, the plugin needs to not be operating in 'channel link' mode). I already put some rudimentary corrective EQ across a 7.1.2 master output in this fashion. In this way, it doesn't matter how big or small your output format is - it is completely scaleable, and wouldn't require much re-writing of software code at all (hey, I'm not a software programmer, but it shouldn't be too hard to code a mono plugin from a stereo one!)

    This would be a huge help to freelancers like myself, who regularly find themselves in different, and inappropriately acoustically treated rooms

    HUGE +1 from me

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    Shaun Gallagher

    Still waiting on some form of implementation of this. My current workaround on Mac is similar to François', but I'm instead using MenuBus Pro v2 over Patchwork and the plugin version. It's less than ideal though due to the latency introduced, but does accomplish a calibrated front L/R with pass-through of all other channels.

    I'd love to see official support for at least just multichannel pass-through of all other channels except the stereo main pair. Seems fairly trivial to implement.

    Please Sonarworks!

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    James Ashton

    It's none of my business of course what someone would do with a surround setup with only 2 speakers calibrated, but I can't understand how that would be helpful in any way? For post, the most important speaker is unquestionably the center. I can see that if you're doing music that this may not be the case, but even so - with a half calibrated system what happens when you pan something somewhere other than hard left or right? You'll get all sorts of wonky stuff going on...

     

    For what it's worth, I've manually adjusted my 7.1 system using Fabfilter Pro Q, some pink noise and a measurement microphone (if you weren't aware, Fabfilter Pro Q has a side chain feature with EQ matching). I have no doubt it's not as accurate as in depth room correction, but at least my frequency response from low to high is relatively flat within my room

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    François Beauvais

    I guess it depends on your room issues. You are right. It is definitely not the ideal solution but I'll take what I can. In my case, witch is mostly mixing musique for films and video games. The biggest issue in my room was around 100hz that build up in my corners. That came mostly from the stereo fronts and not from the center or rear speakers. Knowing my room is still part of the mixing process and I've grown accustomed to my left and right channels being corrected and it's definitely better than nothing.

    I use 2 active BM12 Dynaudio, a passive Focal for my center and a of 2.1 Energy for my rears and sub. I've also calibrated my kit with pink noise and did all I could to make coherent setup. A few years ago I didn't even have a correction on my left & right channel and since I stared using Sonarworks, my mixes have been a lot easier to get right. Even if it's not correcting all channels.

    That said, there is no doubt we could all use a multi-channel release but in the meantime, a pass through with a warning is not such a bad idea for those who wish to use it.

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    Jesse Springer

    Cannot wait for surround support. This is going to be huge for those of us who love and trust Reference and work in pro surround production environments. For what it's worth, I'll add my name to the list of people eagerly awaiting this feature. Thanks, guys!

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    Stefan Riske

    Hey guys, I'm new in this forum and would like to chime in on the multi-channel situation.

    I totally understand that the target audience for a multi-channel solution is much smaller than for the stereo version and that the development costs will have to reflect in the final product price to make it profitable.

    Mostly professionals will use this feature and those of us have no problem paying $1000+ for such a feature. It's a business investment, which will safe us valuable time, improve our workflow & results for the years to come and therefore practically pay for itself.

    So, maybe you lovely people at Sonarworks would like to re-evaluate this topic after 4 years?

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    Chris

    Thank you for all of your feedback! 
    We have actually invested research into this as more and more people express interest in the multichannel feature. We are listening and taking your requests and suggestions into consideration.
    We already have ideas on how to make this happen, but I can't currently provide any information on the development and implementation of the feature as of yet.

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    Richard Spooner

    Chris, that's great news that you are looking into mutli-channel support. I would still love you produce a solution that we could use inside our DAW's but with Dolby Atmos and the Dolby audio bridge etc starting to enter my workflow things are moving on.

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    N Vetterli

    That sounds excellent!

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    François Beauvais

    That's great news indeed! Keep up the good work!

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